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| Date: 6/11/2008 |
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Question:
During a recent review of our fire apparatus driver/operators, the question was asked regarding the use of the directional arrow mounted on the rear of apparatus. The one consistent answer to the question was, once they arrive at the emergency scene the arrow is to be used for directing traffic away from personnel working on the scene. After that as you can imaging the answers were all over the board as to how they are to be used. What’s the scoop?
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Flashing arrow devices are very useful for controlling traffic when installed and used correctly. Flashing arrow boards and signs are an integral part of both temporary and long-term roadway work zones. Some states have specific guidelines or laws that apply to work zone arrow devices and some states have laws about color for various types of mobile lighting including emergency lights. Arrow devices that are typically found on fire apparatus (i.e. arrow sticks) are not sufficient in size to provide proper traffic control and guidance by themselves at incident scenes. Some FDs have experimented with larger arrow boards typically found in construction work zones. They are difficult to mount on fire apparatus and usually create some operation challenges for the truck equipment.
Start by checking with your state police to find out if there are any specific laws in your state regarding arrow devices on fire apparatus (or any other type of vehicle). NFPA 1901 allows for amber warning devices on the rear of trucks but does not specify that they have to be used. That means that as far as NFPA is concerned you can mount/install arrow warning devices on fire apparatus (NFPA 1901 – Chapter 13). The bigger, the better! Some FDs have been experimenting with arrow devices mounted on the side of the truck so that when it is parked at an angle at an incident, it is more visible to oncoming traffic. I happen to think that is a good idea. See attached photos. Also, arrows should be mounted as high as possible (preferably above hose bed level) for more clear visibility especially when actively involved with laying lines and pulling attack lines. (see photo in the respondersafety.com gallery as example) Arrow sticks mounted below hose beds are often obstructed by tarps or hose from the bed.
As for operation, I strongly suggest that the devices not be activated unless they are being used for traffic control at an incident. In reality, every fire truck or ambulance I see here in VA that has an arrow device has it blinking randomly at all times. That simply helps to desensitize the driving public to the intended use of the arrows. They become just another blinking light on a fire truck and they are not perceived as a traffic control device. Add to that problem the fact that many FDs do not activate the arrow device properly on scene to route traffic around the scene. There is no national law or standard that requires the arrows to flash all the time as many seem to think. The problem is that most manufacturers ship the apparatus with the arrow device programmed to flash continually. That can be changed and should be. Arrows should be OFF at all times except when directing traffic at an incident is the preferred option. At the scene, the arrow device should be activated to move traffic right or left as needed.
Finally, some fire dept’s in about 22 states have “fire-police” who specialize in traffic and crowd control at emergency scenes. Some of these departments have started to equip their fire police units with pretty sophisticated trucks equipped with all types of traffic control equipment including larger arrow devices (see photo in the respondersafety.com gallery as example). I’m not sure if Illinois has fire police but if they do, that is another angle you might want to investigate.
Hope that helps!
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Answered By:
Jack Sullivan, CSP, CFPS
Director of Training CVVFA Emergency Responder Safety Institute
E-Mail: JSullivan@LCInnovations.com
Click to see Jack’s Photos referenced in his answer Respondersafety.com Gallery
Respondersafety.com receives many requests for information. We attempt to promptly respond personally to every authenticated email. When we receive excellent questions of a general nature such as this, we will publish our response. The CVVFA Emergency Responder Safety Institute provides what we believe are the current and emerging best practices for emergency responders operating on the highways. These are our opinions. We do not provide legal advice. We urge our readers to check applicable local laws, rules and regulations. We also encourage those with differing viewpoints to contact us.
Steve Austin
Project Manger
ResponderSafety.com
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| Date: 5/8/2008 |
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Question:
Our agency has looked at the new Federal Rule for High Visibility Garments that requires emergency responders on federal funded highways to wear high visibility clothing beginning in November of 2008. We want to purchase the new ANSI Public Safety Vests with break-a-way features but don't see them referenced in the rule. Why not?
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The CVVFA Emergency Responder Safety Institute led the battle to design a vest that meets the needs of public safety responders while maintaining the characteristics required to be visible on the roadway. The Federal Rule was issued only days prior to the issuance of ANSI 207, 2006 Public Safety Vest standard. We immediately began working with the National Traffic Incident Management Coalition, the Safety Health and Survival Section of the International Association of Fire Chiefs and other interested parties to have the rule modified prior to the effective date of November 24, 2008. We have received a letter from the Federal Highway Administration indicating that they are opening comment to include Public Safety Vests in the Manual for Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) which is more authoritative than the Federal Rule. Copies of our letter and the reply may be found in the NEWS section of Respondersafety.com. We are confident the inclusion of the PS Vests in the MUTCD will occur prior to the federal rule's effective date. We recommend that agencies purchase Public Safety Vests with five point, but no less than 4 point break-a-way features.
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Respondersafety.com receives many requests for information. We attempt to promptly respond personally to every authenticated email. When we receive excellent questions of a general nature such as this, we will publish our response. The CVVFA Emergency Responder Safety Institute provides what we believe are the current and emerging best practices for emergency responders operating on the highways. These are our opinions. We do not provide legal advice. We urge our readers to check applicable local laws, rules and regulations. We also encourage those with differing view points to contact us.
Steve Austin
Project Manger
Respondersafety.com
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| Date: 5/4/2008 |
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Question:
If you are so close to a moving object that it catches your vest the break-a-way is not going to do anything for you. Maybe I am thick and slow but someone is going to explain this real slow so I can understand the safety issues. Are we concerned about someone assaulting the public official and grabbing the vest? What does the break-a-way parts protect us from? Will the NFPA add break-a-way to turnouts and EMS uniforms? I understand break-a-way ties, and break-a-way Sam brownie belts on police uniforms.
Sorry for asking a dumb question.
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Here's the logic for break-a-way Velcro seams: If a mirror or other extended object on a moving vehicle brushes a public safety worker, the object could get entangled in the vest and could drag the responder down the highway. This is a hazard in operating in moving traffic. In addition:
If the garment is not full break-a-way the responder could be spun around throwing him/her under the wheels at the worst or on the ground at best
A combative person would have more difficulty wrestling a law enforcement officer to the ground as the vest would come apart
We have no knowledge of any other proposal for break-a-way garments in the fire service or law enforcement except for high visibility ANSI vests. By the way, break-a-ways have been an option on other ANSI vests for sometime under the 107 High Visibility Garment Standard. Thanks for asking our opinion and when it comes to safety there are no “dumb” questions.
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Answered By:
Respondersafety.com receives many requests for information. We attempt to promptly respond personally to every authenticated email. When we receive excellent questions of a general nature such as this, we will publish our response. The CVVFA Emergency Responder Safety Institute provides what we believe are the current and emerging best practices for emergency responders operating on the highways. These are our opinions. We do not provide legal advice. We urge our readers to check applicable local laws, rules and regulations. We also encourage those with differing view points to contact us.
Steve Austin
Project Manger
Respondersafety.com
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| Date: 5/3/2008 |
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Question:
I am a manufacturer's rep. A number of my customers are confused about the transition to the new Public Safety Vests. Can you clear up some of the issues?
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The CVVFA Emergency Responder Safety Institute (ESRI) is carefully monitoring activity regarding the now released ISEA Draft for the ANSI 207 Public Safety Vest.
We are respecting the International Safety Equipment Association’s (ISEA) wishes and will not publish the draft on our web site.
We have in our possession prototypes of the new public safety vests produced by manufactures to meet the proposed standard. Respondersafety.com believes new standard will be very similar to the draft proposal. Nothing is for sure until the standard is published which we expect will take place in the summer of 2006.
Our general review of the draft standard is favorable except for Chapter 6 Optional Features that lists Tear Away as "should" be used. The ESRI will propose that this language be deleted from Chapter 6 and replaced by a new paragraph in Chapter 5 Design stating “Tear Away shall be used when applicable”. It is our position that Tear Away is an integral part of a Public Safety Vest. Consumers who want sewn shoulders and other type of permanent fasteners already have the option to purchase a Class II or III garment.
Respondersafety.com also is concerned with the confusion with the pre 1999 Class III garment standard that was once referenced in the old edition of the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices. The current edition of the manual does not relate the Class of garment to the posted speed of the highway. We recommend that Public Safety Agencies select either a Public Safety or Class II vest for all roadway responses.
Finally ERSI is closely monitoring the Federal Highway Administration Notice of Proposed Rulemaking on Worker Visibility. This rule suggests that all workers including emergency responders on US Federal Aid Highways must wear high visibility garments while performing their duties. The proposed rule which is now open for public comment until (July 7, 2006) references Class II and Class III garments. ERSI is submitting a comment to reference Public Safety Vests in addition to Class II and III. We are confident that our proposal will be accepted. However we are not sure if and when the final rule will be issued.
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Respondersafety.com receives many requests for information. We attempt to promptly respond personally to every authenticated email. When we receive excellent questions of a general nature such as this, we will publish our response. The CVVFA Emergency Responder Safety Institute provides what we believe are the current and emerging best practices for emergency responders operating on the highways. These are our opinions. We do not provide legal advice. We urge our readers to check applicable local laws, rules and regulations. We also encourage those with differing view points to contact us.
Steve Austin
Project Manger
Respondersafety.com
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| Date: 5/2/2008 |
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Can I ask you...where did you get your lane numbering system from, or how did you come to that system? Did it come from the DOT? Please fill me in.I am from Jersey...up north. We are in the process of developing hyway sop's and are using information gathered from you, using your sop's from respondersafety.com as our starting point. Believe it or not, there is some debate on using your lane numbering system. Apparently, a group in south Jersey is using a different lane numbering system. NOW...the state police somehow got involved and want us to use the Souths lane designation system.(sounds like the civil war doesn't it?) Can I ask you...where did you get that lane designation system from, or how did you come to that system? Did it come from the DOT? Please fill me in. Any other organizations adopt it? (NFPA, NIOSH,etc) How about any other states adopt that lane designation system?? Any additional background or references would be helpful. I personally like it and think it is simple to remember and use. I am trying to convince them to use what you talk about, from the drivers right to left, point of view.
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Go with what the cops want in this case. There is no National standard. There are no regulations or requirements. DOT doesn't care or even acknowledge lane numbering. My suggestion is to come up with a standardized identification system that is agreed upon and used by the responder agencies. For you, I'd suggest going with the Troopers. You can operate with their recommendation and it's really not worth a fight on this. Pick your battles and hold the line on something that is more important at a later date. This is just something that has to be dealt with now and it's small potatoes. In my city, we do right lane(1) to far left lane(3 or 4) and everyone agrees; FD, PD, DOT, even our mutual aid companies, so it works for us here. But it doesn't really matter so long as everyone involved agrees upon whatever you decide.
A Fire Chief in Kansas died when he was standing at the rear of his Suburban directing the arriving engine where to park at a highway crash scene. The brakes failed and the engine crushed him between it's front end and the rear of his vehicle. With standardized lane numbering, he could have maintained a safe position away from the vehicles and simply radioed to the arriving officer, "Command to Engine 1...Position Upstream... in Lane 1" and that would have been the end of that.
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Answered By:
Respondersafety.com receives many requests for information. We attempt to promptly respond personally to every authenticated email. When we receive excellent questions of a general nature such as this, we will publish our response. The CVVFA Emergency Responder Safety Institute provides what we believe are the current and emerging best practices for emergency responders operating on the highways. These are our opinions. We do not provide legal advice. We urge our readers to check applicable local laws, rules and regulations. We also encourage those with differing view points to contact us.
Assistant Chief Ron Moore
Chief Instructor - Emergency Responder Safety Institute
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